The hardest part of being in a group for me is deciding which suggestions to take to heart and which to ignore. Trust me, you'll get lots of friendly recommendations, but bear in mind that here again, people are at various stages in writing and may pass along their bad traits. You have to be careful to pick and choose those comments which apply to your writing, enhance the story and flow, but don't change your voice. There is something unique about all of us, and we don't want to lose that. If you happen to be in a critique group with authors who dwell in England, you'll be surprised at how differently they write...lots of "to phrases" and all those extra "u" spellings, such as colour, favour, etc. You have to keep in mind that writing styles do vary from country to country and what you think is true may not be elsewhere.
I cannot express my appreciation enough to the members of my past and current groups. They have given me suggestions for improving the story flow, corrected errors, and asked questions that make me stop and think about how better to word something. One author, in particular keeps me mindful that taste, touch, hear, and smell are just as important as seeing. The senses play an vital role in “showing” a reader your novel So put the reader in the character’s shoes even if the story takes place next to a water treatment plant. *smile*
There is one thing you should do before you join a critique group. Develop a thick skin.
If you plan to submit your chapters for dissection, then expect they will be. Critique groups aren’t in place to hold you hand, tell you lies about your work, or hurt your feeling, and you do want the truth, no matter how hard it is to take at times.. Honestly can sometimes be painful, and you may just discover that your manuscript needs more honing than you expected. As said above, the task falls to the author to determine which suggestions to follow and which to ignore. You'll often get conflicting critiques, so if the “tip” works use it, if it doesn’t, ignore it.
Not everyone critiques in the same manner. I, for one, do a line-by-line because that’s the only way I know to share what I’ve learned in the writing process. Some skim the chapter, looking for missing commas and misspellings, and others just comment that your story is lovely. There are some who obviously don’t want to rock anyone’s world with a negative comment. But that’s okay…these types are helpful, too.
Time is important in our industry, so if, after doing a few chapters, I notice the person is not taking note of my suggestions, then I cease offering my help. I don’t mean to infer that I know more than anyone else, but experiences have taught me much more than I knew before. A good rule of thumb…if more than one person zeroes in on something, then you’d best listen. Of course it seems like new rules crop up weekly. The ones I share are the ones that make the most sense to me.
My pet peeves are word echoes, redundancy, and chapters that do nothing to propel the story forward and are filled with wasted information and copious descriptions. And nothing is more annoying than unneeded tags to identify two people in a room having a dialogue. Continued use of “he said, John said, Mary said, she said,” drives me nuts. Readers are pretty smart. They can easily keep track of the speaker with a minimal of hints. Still feel the need for a tag? Use action…a phrase that identifies the speaker by something they’re doing. “It’s rather cold out today,” John said. might be better read, “It’s rather cold out today.” John moved to the fireplace and warmed his hands over the crackling flames. Besides just telling the reader about the coldness, you're showing them a warm and crackling fireplace.
The hardest question is how do you relay those peevish habits to an author without making an enemy? There is never a need to be cold and cruel, but sometimes even a hint of negativity will send a newbie fleeing from the site. You have to be prepared to get as good as you give, and that’s the truth. I’ve never been very good at candy-coating, and I doubt I’m going to start now. I don’t always like the critiques I get back, but I consider each and every one of them and I’d say I use 90% of the recommendations. I’m still constantly amazed at the minor issues overlooked by so many pairs of eyes. I don’t think it’s possible to ever have a “perfect” manuscript...I’ve never seen one, at least.
I hope my post has inspired some of you to form or join a group. Critiquing can be one of the most helpful tools around, but only it you use the opportunity wisely and honestly. I just rejoined my Historical Critique Group to help me with Yellow Moon. I just submitted the first chapter today, so we'll see what comments I get back.
I gave up on critique groups a long time ago because of the time factor. It took me a while to find people I could trust but now I could not do without my two fabulous critique partners.
ReplyDeleteGreat blog Ginger. You always have so many informative things to say.
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Excellent advice, Ginger. I met you in a critique group and we've been friends ever since, along with our British friend Anita. I think that was in 2006. I couldn't do without my critique partners.
ReplyDelete"The hardest part of being in a group for me is deciding which suggestions to take to heart and which to ignore."
ReplyDelete^^ This especially. Some writers ignore all suggestions, some try to implement every suggestion, even when some of the advice might contradictory!
Ann...I've found that to be true at first, but now I really heed the things that more than one person bring up. I posted my first chapter last night and already got six critiques. I found several things that were mentioned by more than one person so something has to be wrong with that. Most of my comments were positive and that made me feel good because I know these gals are honest and aren't in the game just to avoid hurting my feelings. In fact..one actually told me my first paragraph was 'lame.' *lol* Don't know exactly what she meant, but the other five had no issues except suggestions I add something, which I did.
ReplyDeleteI was taught a very long time ago, from a very experienced writer and from the many books I've read and a writing course I took, there are very few rules in writing. I used to belong to critique groups but gave up on them because, as you pointed out, everyone was at various places in their writing. I also found people wanted me to change things to fit the way they would have written the story. I didn't find that helpful. So instead, I look for edits from several people. If more than one person points something out, I take heed. If only one comments, I go with my gut. I've had editors try to add "ly" words (one of the few nevers I've learned in writing) rather than strong verbs. Or they've added them to the strong verbs ex: yelled loudly - All loudly does is repeat yelled. Everyone knows yelling is loud. LOL I'm not saying anyone shouldn't join a critique group. It did help me a lot in my earlier writing. Just don't have the time or patience for it today.
ReplyDeleteI decided to make time because I want my next story to be it's very best. Although I don't work outside the home, I'm pretty busy too, but the secret is finding the right group. The one I'm in is well-established and most are published authors. I stay clear of ones that have newbies because there is just too much to critique. I have one person who reminds me to add "smells" to my scenes, and another is big on descriptions of the people. I really appreciate their input, good and bad.i Like Ann said, sometimes the hard part is deciding which comments to take into consideration, and I don't if they seem to be just another way of saying what I've already said. Sometimes the changes make things clearer for the reader...things I didn't realize when writing, so it does require some patience when it comes to analyzing the advice others offer.
DeleteGinger, when I started out, I had the privilege of attending a very professional critique group and it was during that time I first became published, both in short and book-length fiction. They were some of my best mentors. Later after the group disbanded, I attended a less-than-professional group, where many of the members enjoyed it more as a coffee klatch than a chance to critique. It's interesting how groups vary. I'd give my eye teeth to find a group like the first one, but so far, I haven't had any luck. You're so right, though, about the pros and cons of any group. For me, however, just having to take in a new chapter each week (or whenever) really kept me on track.
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